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They Do Work
I have fitted a Motoflow magnetic device to my 2012 Mazda3 and although I have not noticed any fuel saving it has worked wonders in increasing the power and smoothness of the 1.6 litre engine.
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Motoflows, Cleaner Engines, Less Fuelconsumption - Diy
... for wheels - to be fitted on the incoming fuelpipe as close to the engine as possible. Anyone who says it doesn´t seem to safe noticeable on fuel, gives more power, sales through the MOT - either fitted it wrongly or has a brandnew car & doesn´t notice. It´s been banned from (british Bike) racing as it gives an unfair advantage. Also before an MOT you should drive your wheels with the MOTOflow for 500-1000miles first - so the extra oxygen generated CAN do it´s job.
I use it for over 16 years on 7 different vehicles with an average age of 15 years. Diesel & petrol, huge & small engines. Sometimes they can´t detect ANY fumes at the MOT. Always passed that part. Saves on average 15% on fuel - as long as you don´t use up the extra power available.
It paid several times over for itself.
Motoflow from Ecoflow.
Saw the DIY version on YT. Interesting - could work too.
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Complete Nonsense
Right, here we go, let us investigate the claims of magnetic fuel savers and their basis in science shall we:
1. Fuel is 'aligned' by the magnets
No, it just isn't. hydrocarbon fuels (all of them) are non-magnetic and non-conductive, which limits a magnet's influence on them to the diamagnetic effect, which is weak to the point of being unobservable. Even IF this force was strong enough to produce detectable effects (which it isn't) it would only introduce a tendancy for the fuel molecules to flow away from the magnets, not align them in any way.
2. 'Hydrocarbon chains are broken down'
Magnets cannot affect the molecular structure of hydrocarbon fuels, or any non-magnetic and non-conductive material for that matter.
3. Magnetic fuel systems were used by the RAF in WW2.
I actually happen to be a pilot in the RAF and I can tell you that this claim is absolute rubbish. Do you not think if we'd figured this one out all those years ago we'd just have stopped bothering to use it? As it happens we kinda like fuel economy as it means we have to ship less of it around. The British Armed Forces do not use this device and never have, that is a fact.
And now even assuming that the above is true:
4. Shorter hydrocarbons burn with more energy.
Yes, they do, VERY VERY VERY slightly more energy. Nothing even close to a percentage point here. This would produce no observable effect.
5. Fuel burns faster
Great, and that will see significant LOSSES in power and economy unless the ignition timing is adjusted to compensate, and you'll be handing your local tuning garage about £400 for an engine remap to achieve that.
6. Fuel burns more completely
Any car made in the last 20 years will burn over 98% (higher in most cases) of fuel that enters the cylinders, so even with magical perfect burning efficiency how is that ever going to produce more than 2% efficiency increase?
So to conclude, the science that these things are based on is pure fiction, none of it stands up to even basic scientific scrutiny. what's more, despite contacting many manufacturers, including this one (they did not respond) requesting the studies they so love to quote, I have yet to see a shred of data. Strangely, there are reams of data from many reputable car and review bodies that have tested these products, and they all seem to share my opinion. Please do not waste your money on this, it is a scam and i think it's disgraceful that these con-artists aren't behind bars.
Thank you for reading
Hello Honest One. Just read your review. Have you ever tried one of these devices? I ask as others who are soooo negative get hung up on the science and don't bother to actually look for themselves.
I've been using these things for years. If correctly fitted, they are effective.
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The Motorflow Has Saved Me Over £2,500 Sinc
The Motorflow has saved me over £2,500 since fitting it many years ago and everytime I have changed my car it has worked just as well saving an average 10%
I know some big businesses are saving lots of money with Ecoflow fuel savers
This guy is probably a distributor ... don't believe a word he says.
Proof that magnetic fuel savers DO NOT WORK...
FTC Halts Bogus Claims For “Fuel Saving” Device
- Four Million Dollar Settlement Imposes Lifetime Ban on the Sale or Manufacture of Devices
quote:
"...The FTC alleged that the magnetic “fuel saver” does not save fuel, does not increase gas mileage, and does not reduce emissions. The agency charged that the false claims violate the FTC Act..."
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I Have Lots Of Friends Saving £5 To £
I have lots of friends saving £5 to £10 everytime they fill up and some Coach and Lorry firms saving 6% plus which in money terms runs into thousands a month.
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I Have Used 2 Ecoflow Units. The First Is Mou
I have used 2 Ecoflow units.
The first is mounted on the fuel feed pipe of a domestic gas boiler & the results are impressive. In the past, the thermostat had to be set nearly halfway to get tolerably hot water, now with the thermostat set at the minimum possible, we always have to add some cold to make it bearable.
The second has been used on an old diesel Skoda for some years. Initially, no result until I moved it from the fuel return to the inlet pipe. Afterwards, no discernable improvement in economy, but a small improvement in acceleration at mid engine speeds.
On older diesel engines the unit has to be mounted on the fuel intake line before the fuel pump, so it could be quite a distance from the point of combustion & presumably less effective. I've just changed to a Vauxhall Astra 1.3 CDTI & I could mount the unit on the steel pipe between the pump & the common rail, which is much closer to the point of combustion. It's too early yet for me to know the Astra's performance & economy characteristics without the unit so I'll have to run it for a while before I fit the Ecoflow, then see if there's any improvement after fitting.
This Product Does Not Work And Has Never Been Succ
This product does not work and has never been successfully verified in a proper double blind placebo controlled peer reviewed trial. In order to alter the atomic structure of matter you need a huge magnet, in the order of 5T, for a static magnet, like those used in the EcoFlow products, that equates to a magnet weighing about 100 tons! Once the liquid has passed through the magnetic field the effects are not observed anymore and the atomic structure reverts back to the default state. Therefore, by the time the liquid has passed the magnet and entered the combustion chamber it is unlikely to be in any different state than it would be if the EcoFlow wasnt there! The is a complete waste of money, the only effect when used is placebo! You know you have the device fitted so you drive differently than when it isn't.
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Some people get very wound up over whether this science works or not. It is effective, but you must always fit the most powerful device the fuel feed pipe will conveniently accommodate: there can never be too much magnetism but too little will be ineffective. For instance, fast and luxurious has eleven magnets of varying sizes because it has two fuel systems (LPG and petrol). One of the magnets is sold as a domestic lime scale inhibitor: same ionization technology.
So what do you do? Will it; won't it? Trial and error. Buy a good quality product that has good reviews. If a review is violently negative, ask whether the reviewer has actually used the product. It is possible to make your own – mostly they're neodymium magnets in plastic cases but magnets secured with gaffer tape would probably have the same effect. Don't fit to braided metal pipes as the braiding disrupts the magnetic field.
Keep them clear of any electronics in case of interference. Use them on your gas or oil-fired central heating; as lime scale inhibitors; on any internal combustion engine and to make a bottle of cheap plonk taste better – yes, really! They'll also help with your aches and pains by acting on your blood.
My Uncle is a scientist. I gave him a device to use on his cooker which is powered by tanked gas. He got very cross, telling me how it 'couldn't possibly work.' I said, 'OK, if you don't want it, give it back.' That was several years ago. We don't speak about it. As far as I know the device is still on his gas pipe. 'Nuff said?
This review is essentially correct. Hydrocarbon fuels are not magnetic and non-conductive, so the only possible influence a magnet could exert on them is the phenominally weak 'diamagnetic effect'. Even if this was strong enough to cause observable effects (which it isn't) all it would do is cause a tendancy for the fuel to move away from the magnets. Magnets simply cannot influence the alignment of fuel molecules or change their molecular structure. They just can't. The science quoted in the marketing for these products is utterly utterly fake, the best thing you can do with these things is use them as fridge magnets.
I found this review not helpful because the reviewer states a lot of 'science' with the air of a technical expert, but doesn't say whether he's made any tests himself. This is a review site, not a 'science' course. There are a lot of products out there which work well, but don't have scientific backing because the research hasn't been done yet. His 'science' is all unproven theories. Let's see facts!
I found this review not helpful because the British Dept of Trade & Industry trialled the Ecoflow at its environmental testing laboratory, on a car and a truck over 12,000 miles with positive results as follows:
Power increase 11.19%
Fuel consumption down 11.05%
Emissions: Carbon Monoxide down 14.99%
Hydrocarbons down 24.42%
Carbon Dioxide down 10.67%
NOX down 12.88%
NO down 15.49%
Particulate Smoke from Diesel down 15%
Laboratory tests of ECOFLOW on a Vauxhall Cavalier 1.6 showed an average fuel improvement of 7.03% increasing to 11.05%, and a power increase of 9.52% increasing to 11.19%.
I found this review not helpful because...........
The writer does not know what they are talking about.
The treatment of fuel with magnets has been around since the second world war. Do some research.
The Ecoflow products carry a Full 100% money back guarantee and if they did not work everyone who bought one would be entitled to a refund and if everyone had that, the company would not be able to keep on trading. It is still thriving with no borrowings.
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Many People Do Not Know That This Technology Has B
Many people do not know that this technology has been successfully used on commercial and industrial equipment with very impressive results and short pay back periods.
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The Motoflow, Manufactured By Ecoflow Plc, And For
The Motoflow, manufactured by Ecoflow plc, and formerly known as an Ecoflow, is a fuel conditioner for use in cars and motor vehicles. It is designed for use with petrol and diesel engines, and has been tested by laboratories around the world, including the British Government's environmental laboratory, where a 12,000 mile test showed improved fuel economy, increased power and reduced emissions.
It uses the patented "Central Reverse Polarity" to magnetically condition fuel, and it is believed that this increases the fuels efficiency and power output, and at the same time helps to reduce harmful emissions.
The Motoflow is very easy to fit and takes only a few minutes. It is fitted to the fuel line to the engine by means of straps. It is then ready to start work as it requires no power source or maintenance. The fuel has to pass through the effects of the "Central Reverse Polarity" magnet, thus being conditioned prior to combustion. The process is known as Ionisation by Magnetic Induction.
Engines that have been fitted with a Motoflow have shown to be more fuel efficient, doing more miles to the gallon, and having a more complete combustion. They can be moved from car to car, so once bought you never have to buy another. In our case, it is now fitted to the fourth car and still working just as well. MOT testing has always found there have been no emissions since fitting.
The Motoflow has a recommended retail price of £50. There are two models: Motoflow 1 for all carburettor engines up to seven litres, and Motoflow 2 which is for all other vehicles up to three litres requiring one unit, and over three litres require two.
The Motoflow, like other Ecoflow products, is only available through distributors.
Another fail...
quote...
"...after just five days and 211 miles later of having the MotoFlow product attached, I can report that the carbon emissions of the mighty Fiat had remained exactly the same..."
Beware, this is a fraud that is netting this company £4 million a year. Many of these positive reviews are posted by distributors ... anyone can become a distributor and make money with this scam ... they have a lot of distributors.
Magnetic fuel conditioners DO NOT WORK and have been busted by Mythbusters...
This scam was also featured in the Daily Mirror...
They refuse to submit their device for independent testing, and fail to provide anything but anecdotal evidence which is either made up, or unreliable. Mythbusters managed to do some testing, yet the company that sell this fraud refuses to provide similar results to back their own claims. They will instead refer you to their money-back guarantee and quotes from supposed satisfied customers. Don't fall for this ... check out the links provided.
Beware, this is a fraud that is netting this company £4 million a year. Many of these positive reviews are posted by distributors ... anyone can become a distributor and make money with this scam.
Magnetic fuel conditioners DO NOT WORK and have been busted by Mythbusters...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90szKQAjhfo
This scam was also featured in the Daily Mirror...
http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/investigations/2009/01/hot-air-from-ecoflow-over-mira.html
The only way to test these products is the way we did it in the 1960's. That is, to take an engine, place it on a dymo and run it with and without the device and see if any power output changes are observered along with all the other engine telemetry. Its easy to do and easy to produce and publish the results, the fact the makers of these devices dont is a cause for concern - its always somebody else who has the data. The usual result of such tests is "no observed difference".
Hi. I could fill pages of details on Motoflows (and thermoflows). I highly recommend them to anyone, but I will keep things as concise as I can.
These units are fuel saving devices for internal combustion engines and boilers (gas or oil). They simply strap on to the fuel pipe and treat the fuel by magnetic induction. The ionised fuel carries a positive charge, so it combines more readily with the naturally negatively-charged oxygen. This produces more efficient combustion, more power, more miles to the gallon and less exhaust pollution.
Fitted correctly, a fuel conditioner can achieve 10 to 15% fuel saving. The cost of the units today are about £55.
I did a test on a Ford Fiesta 1100 - J reg in 2003. The car is my wife's runabout, so it doesn't have long mileage.
Before fitting, I did 5 consecutive fill ups - averaged 41.05 mpg. MOT tested co2 = 2.84% volume.
After fitting, I did another 5 consecutive fill ups - averaged 44.5 mpg. MOT tested co2 = 1.11% volume.
It has more than paid for its cost, and it will continue to do so. If you change cars just swap it to the new one. I also have a Thermoflow on my oil central heating, and it saves those fuel bills too.
They work on all types of engines, whether fuel injection, electronic engine management systems and catalytic converters.
If you want to know more, go to www.bazjasp.co.uk
Regards Richard.
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